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  • skkott 2:51 am on Sunday, June 14, 2009 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: Deepak Chopra, Oprah, Quackery   

    Choprawoo… 

    Orac at Science blogs takes Deepak Chopra to task one more time after Chopra’s recent column criticizing NEWSWEEK’s brilliant cover article on Oprah promoting quackery on her show, “There is, however, one person who may cause Oprah a bit of trouble. Ironically, it’s one of her staunchest supporters. Indeed, it’s someone we’ve met many times before on this blog, and he’s outraged that NEWSWEEK would be so mean to Oprah. Indeed, I’m referring to a man for whom I once coined a term to describe his mystical, magical, pseudoscientific New Age blather. Oprah, meet Chopra. Deepak Chopra, that is. Again.”:

    Oprah and Chopra sittin’ in a tree…

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    • derek 12:57 pm on Sunday, June 14, 2009 Permalink | Reply

      Hey skkott
      Now who were you at IB? I don’t remember. People have used so many names. It’s nice to have another voice here though.

      Funny what people at Oprah and Deepak’s level of fame and recognition have to do to be there and what they have to do to stay there. I can’t imagine . One thing I do know is it takes a lot of people to be their fans and to hold them up. The things they say or try to say, in my opinion, are no more valid than anyone else. If people want to follow them in such a way as to believe whatever they say, then who is more foolish?

      When it comes to ones health and how to treat it, I believe everyone is different. For some it is not the delivery system but their belief in it that helps them. For some people total quackery works just fine and for some people it’s their belief in space age medical technology and some people believe that no medical intervention is best. I personally believe that most doctors and healers are shooting in the dark and hoping something works.

      My Dad was a doctor and my wife is an energy healer, I have seen results and failures in both practices. It really seems to boil down to the individual and how much they truly want to be healed. If someone wants to be healthy they will find a way that works for them. If that’s cutting off a chickens foot and lighting candles, good for them. If it’s getting cat scans and chemotherapy, good for them too. Some people suffer from debilitating illness and it is sad when they can not get the help they need because there are so many limitations put on them by the AMA. Some of those people could get relief from alternative medicine. Some are made worse by alternative medicine but the same can be said about mainstream western medicine as well.

      There is no one type of treatment that works for everyone. We are complex creatures with many variables within our own individual circumstances.

      I don’t know anything about you skkott but if you are trying to help people by educating them, then you should open your heart and allow people to seek what will help them, not diminish treatments that you have not experienced to work in your own personal life. It is often the belief in the treatment and the faith in the person treating them, more than the treatment it’s self, that helps people.

      I read a lot of the comments in Orac’s thread and it’s the same back and forth thing. People from each camp throwing stones at each other, while in the middle are people needing help but getting stones instead.

      There are many types of treatments because there are many types of people.

      derek

    • derek 2:57 pm on Sunday, June 14, 2009 Permalink | Reply

      You know skkott, I don’t think anyone here talks about Oprah or Deepak much at all. Your post was like a throw back to the old IB world, but it was kinda fun. Thanks

      derek

    • heath 6:42 pm on Sunday, June 14, 2009 Permalink | Reply

      Dear Scott

      Chopra has valid points. Orac does too. Both have their own agendas, though.

      Reading Orac’s blog, I was struck by his frequent use of judgmental words meant to tell the reader how to feel. That made me uncomfortable with his attitude, even though many of his points are well taken.

      Orac says “Physicians are taught nutrition in medical school; they are taught prevention.” In my experience, doctors are as human and imperfect as the rest of us, and many fail to understand the importance of nutrition and prevention. Some of what they learn is old or incorrect, too. Many docs are susceptible to manipulation by pharma company reps, advertising, and so on.

      My criticism of Chopra is that he’s not as aware as he should be of his own vulnerability to fame and of-the-momentness.

      Personally, I’ve suffered more harm at the hands of doctors than you would expect in this day and age. My most recent misadventure was when an ER orthopedist decided to show off to two female interns by demonstrating how to reduce my dislocated shoulder. Unfortunately, he chose one of the most diffucult reduction maneuvers, my muscles were in spasm already, and he hadn’t practiced the maneuver for a while. Not only did he fail to reduce via the difficult method, he caused me immense pain and chipped my shoulder socket with my humerus when he let the bone go a little too soon and at the wrong angle. He took a 30-minute break, during which I had to have morphine administered because of the increase in pain he’d caused, then he came back with the first technique listed in most discussion of shoulder dislocation reductions, and used it to pop my arm back into its socket in 30 seconds, with no more pain to me. The technique needs three people, and he had to use the two internists. Of course, that took away any superiority he had still been able to maintain with them after his failure get my arm back into my shoulder. The poor guy couldn’t speak to me after he fixed me up, he was so humiliated. The two internists were doing their work with grins on their faces, after he finished up. And this great action took place in an ER, not at a bar or on the beach on the weekend. What price do patients pay for this kind of uneducated behavior? Uneducated in simple humanity, that is. That’s where many alternative medicine practitioners have an edge — because their approach is founded on a humanistic basis. They pay attention to their patients, and most often use conservative methods of treatment that are less likely to do immediate harm. Old methods, too. Many old, conservative methods have lasted through the years simply because they’ve always worked. So why be surprised if they still work even now?

      The prob isn’t with the medicine, it’s with the practitioners. Whenever ego steps between doctor and patient, damage is a likely outcome. Same is true for alternative medicine people. But our culture rewards doctors for egotistic, matlab blind, behavior, while it’s kind of hard on practitioners of alternative medicine. So maybe current social pressures keep alternative medicine more viable and less harmful than traditional medicine, so-called.

      Regarding Oprah, imho she’s been too rich for too long and is way more out of touch with many microrealities that are important to the rest of us than she should be, if she’s acting like a leader — which she is, despite her demurrals, both verbal and otherwise. That’s not any kind of jealousy of her success, on my part. I can feel in my bones that she’s frequently off-base, and I’ve felt it for about ten years.

      love, h

    • ed 5:48 am on Monday, June 15, 2009 Permalink | Reply

      Hi skkott,
      give me Bruce Lipton any day….with a tiny pinch of my customary salt 😉

      http://www.brucelipton.com/store/podcast

      We gotta move on….as one. There’s ‘gold’ in them thar ills 😉 The solution is the problem…..scan….

      ed

  • heath 10:01 am on Friday, May 8, 2009 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: Flamenco Sketches (Alternate Take), Miles Davis   

    Art is about… 

    …disagreement. Matlab*, showing another way to think, feel, listen, move, see. A teaching. Slyly, gracefully offered.

    * Matlab: meaning (Hindi).

    Here’s a piece of art from Miles Davis:

     
  • heath 10:45 pm on Tuesday, April 21, 2009 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: UNESCO, WDL, World Digital Library   

    The World Digital Library (WDL) 

    The web site:  http://www.wdl.org

    A NYTimes Global Edition article about it: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/21/technology/21library.html?_r=1&ref=globalhome

    WDL is a Unesco effort.

     
  • heath 12:11 am on Tuesday, April 14, 2009 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: Frederick Seidel, links to others' stuff including mine, , The Cove, WWF magnetic money boards   

    Open, orphan: hugs hugs hugs. Links in… 

    Open, orphan: hugs hugs hugs.
    Links in link: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/warriorpoets/message/13120

     
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